How Dangerous is the Error of Hyper Grace?

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Although much has been said and written about Hyper Grace, I readily accepted an invitation to attend a talk by Dr Roland Chia on 2 May 2016, organised by the Chinese Annual Conference of the Methodist Church in Singapore.

Dr Roland Chia is the Chew Hock Hin Professor of Christian Doctrine of Trinity Theological College and the Theological and Research Advisor of the Ethos Institute of Public Christianity. Yet, credentials aside, it was the opportunity to hear a local critique and perspective of Hyper Grace that drew me to the talk. After all, Singapore is one of the main exporters of this doctrine through Joseph Prince of New Creation Church. It is only appropriate that one of our own presents a point of view.

In just over one hour, Dr Chia delivered his presentation very clearly and precisely. We were given a quick introduction, followed by a broad overview of what Hyper Grace Teachers understand about Scripture, God’s Moral Law, Sin & Repentance and the Cross of Christ, and how their interpretations are erroneous. Dr Chia quoted from Hyper Grace proponents like Clark Whitten, Paul Ellis, Steve McVey, and of course, Joseph Prince (Destined to Reign & Unmerited Favour).

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For the benefit of those who are still uncertain about the error of Hyper Grace, here are summary statements of the distortions of Hyper Grace Teachers, reproduced from Dr Chia’s notes:

  1. They have dismissed the whole of the OT. Narratives in the OT are merely used as examples or illustrations.
  2. They have dismissed the relevance of the Ten Commandments and God’s moral laws for Christians.
  3. Their theology (i.e. doctrine of God) is erroneous because they have emphasised only certain aspects of God’s character and only some of His attributes (like love) while neglecting others.
  4. Their Christology is defective. For them salvation is centred only on the death of Christ. In the NT, the whole incarnate life of the Son is salvific.
  5. Their understanding of the ministry and teachings of Jesus is erroneous because they consider the teachings of Jesus before Calvary as irrelevant for Christians (this includes the Sermon on the Mount, the parables and the Lord’s Prayer).
  6. Their pneumatology is erroneous because they teach that the Holy Spirit does not convict believers of sin. This is instead attributed to the work of the devil.
  7. Their understanding of the writings of Paul is erroneous. Paul always balances the indicative and the imperative (you are such and such, therefore, you should do such and such). But the new antinomians only emphasise the indicative and entirely omit the imperatives.
  8. Their soteriology is erroneous because they teach that it is impossible for Christians to lose their salvation.
  9. Their eschatology is erroneous because they present an over-realised eschatology when they insist that Christians are already perfect.
  10. Needless to say, their entire theology of the Christian life and discipleship is erroneous.
  11. The Hyper Grace Teachers are also promoters of the health and wealth Gospel. They incorporate this quite easily in their theology of grace.

Indeed, it was time well spent on the morning of a public holiday. I definitely appreciate Dr Chia’s ability and willingness to say what needs to be said. As far as he is concerned, the doctrine of Hyper Grace is heretical and as such, harmful to the Body of Christ.

Of the hundreds who attended the talk, I don’t think anyone would dispute this at all. However, as intellectually and theologically stimulating as the talk was, it would be a great waste if it remained just that. And yet, for it to have traction, for pastors to be willing to preach it, for leaders to teach it, for members to run with it, I feel we need to be even more precise with the consequences of one who embraces such teachings.

For this, we must be willing and daring to define ‘harmful’ and what that entails. Really, how dangerous is the heresy of Hyper Grace? More pointedly, we must ask, “What are the eternal consequences, if any?” Is it dangerous enough for church leaders to collectively issue a statement against Joseph Prince? Is it dangerous enough for pastors to be equipped and to boldly preach this over their pulpits? Is it dangerous enough for cell leaders to be trained to address this at ground level? Would this be a priority? Is there an urgency? Should evangelistic efforts be redirected to winning back the many souls who think they are secured by grace but are not?

If we are not willing to grapple with these, then perhaps, all we have is mental assent that Hyper Grace is erroneous but are not adequately convicted that it is dangerous or serious enough to warrant any action on our part. In other words, let’s just ignore the elephant in the room. Wait. What elephant?

Once again, it was a great talk and I learnt a lot from Dr Roland Chia. I am looking forward to another session with him where Dr Chia will answer questions about another controversial movement, the New Apostolic Reformation – that’s another can of worms.

Read more:
Got Questions: What is Hyper Grace?
Bill Muehlenberg: Antinomianism and the Hyper Grace Error
Michael Brown: Confronting the Error of Hyper Grace
Lim Poh Ann: Hyper-Grace: Jesus’ Pre-Calvary Teachings Irrelevant
Andrew Wilson: The “Grace Revolution”, Hyper-Grace, and the Humility of Orthodoxy

Author’s Note: This post drew quite a few comments and statements in defence of Joseph Prince and New Creation Church, and understandably so. The arguments are not new at all, mostly disputing Dr Chia’s summary statements as untrue or inaccurate. In fairness, these were not at the talk  to benefit from Dr Chia’s explanation, supported by proper quotations and citations. Even so, I suspect this would mean little as positive personal experience appears to be of greater value and importance. I have learnt much from this little exercise, and I am grateful to all who have contributed. Praying for all to have wisdom and discernment, and the Lord’s amazing grace, of course.

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44 thoughts on “How Dangerous is the Error of Hyper Grace?

  1. Hi, can I know when Dr Chia will speak about the New Apostolic Reformation? Thanks.

    1. Dear Christine, he has already spoken on this last month at a talk entitled, “Neo Paganism”, organised by the Chinese Annual Conference of the Methodist Church.

      1. Hi, am interested to hear/read regarding the New Apostolic Reformation too. Would there be an entry on it?

  2. Well, I grew from Faith to Faith, and from Glory to Glory, just listening to Ps Joseph Prince. I believe he preaches the abundance of grace, and the riches of his Grace. And Joseph Prince is not the initiator, but Jesus and Paul. It is man that termed Abundant Grace into hyper Grace. I hope with all your getting get understanding. According to Titus it is Grace that teaches us to deny ungodliness. Shalom.

    1. Dear brother Raja, I believe we are all in agreement that we have no issue with the amazing grace of our Lord. Pls examine the summary statements for yourself and do not miss the errors that Dr Roland Chia is trying to point out.

  3. Reblogged this on Archippus Awakening and commented:

    It is never easy for one to make a stand. After all, it is much easier and safer to keep silent and go with the flow. To this end, I appreciate what Dr Roland Chia has done, that he is willing to share his findings about the extremely hot topic of Hyper Grace.

    That said, this task is not to be limited to the likes of Dr Chia. I am of the opinion that pastors and leaders must likewise be willing to make a clear stand that they may be guide and lead their flock responsibly. It is for this reason that I have chosen to stick my own neck out, first to post it on my own blog, and then to share this with all who are associated with Archippus Awakening.

    I am well aware that not everyone may agree with what has been presented. That is totally fine. My only prayer and plea is that the individual does due diligence to examine the points carefully, and not merely make broad statements to quickly dismiss a differing view, to defend a person he or she admires.

    May the Lord lead and enable us all accordingly.

    1. I think you should visit new creation church regularly for a while before making a judgement and analysis on their doctrines.
      The danger for us all is that we may end like Pharisees.
      From what I read of the statements from Dr Chia, they seem a bit hyper exaggerated and should not be applied simply to every “church” he thinks is promoting “hyper grace.”
      Every church is different and a simple characteristics listed by Dr Chia does not do justice to the complexity of every church.

  4. Hi, no matter what other believers try to do, the campaign for the “grace message” simply cannot be stopped anymore, because it provides comfort to the tired and strength to the overworked.

    I left a prominent Assembly of God church due to the fact that I had enough of “repentance” altar calls after the pastors did that for YEARS on end.

    Not to mention that belief in the “grace message” does NOT make one lose his/her salvation after all, as these are all fellow Christians whom Jesus has accepted.

    Is there a word anywhere which says that if you “fully” trust in Jesus and depend on ZERO of your own effort, that you will be sent to hell? I seriously doubt so.

    Indeed, “grace” fellows remind me of Mary and Martha, and I need not say whom they seem to emulate… Mary, of course, who did absolutely nothing but adored Christ at His feet!

    p/s. I am NOT a member of New Creation Church, but an onlooker who would like to say a word of fairness about the issue.

      1. Amen, brother, for your courteous response, as you do to all commenters… you have the mark of a steady man. In post script, I sometimes wonder if pastor Joseph Prince makes our Calvinist, Reformed, TULIP brothers proud… minus the tongues, I am sure! : )

  5. As someone who attended a Methodist church since childhood, I never really understood the gospel until I heard Joseph Prince preach it when I was in my 30s. I learned more in one sermon than all my years attending the Methodist church. And as someone who has sat under his ministry for about 15 years, I can tell you points 1–11 are just not true, or misunderstood, or exaggerated. But such straw man arguments are nothing new.

  6. Are there references, citations, proof etc. that Prince is Hyper Grace preacher? If so, could you kindly provide them?

    1. I believe that by his own admission, Prince is a hyper grace preacher 🙂 In any case, feel free to pick up a copy of Dr Michael Brown’s book “Hyper Grace” and the latest book, “The Grace Controversy”.

  7. Brother,

    I do not know how you resolve your problems in life. By making statement such as “They have dismissed the whole of the OT. Narratives in the OT are merely used as examples or illustrations”, you conclude about the heresy of hyper-grace. It’s not helpful. We need clear facts to solve a problem. I suggest that you go and attend New Creation Church for at least 3 mths and hear the message yourself. Then assess for yourself whether the conclusion is correct.

  8. Hi Noted with thanks. To God be all the glory n praise n will pray along with u n the saints. Amen Regards Esther Leaw

  9. Since I was named in your article, perhaps you will permit me to respond to these allegations.

    1. I love the Old Testament and would no more dismiss it than I would dismiss the New.
    2. I would never dismiss the 10 Commandments, which are holy, righteous, and good.
    3. As 1 John 4 says, love is not one attribute of God; it is the very essence of his character through which all other attributes are understood.
    4. Even though I have a PhD I don’t know what salvific means, but I’m pretty sure this word is not in the Bible. For the record, the resurrection of Christ is the thing (1 Cor 15).
    5. It is a popular myth that grace teachers dismiss the pre-cross teachings of Jesus. In point of fact, grace teachers may be the only ones who take Jesus’ words seriously since we would never dare to dismiss his hard words has hyperbole.
    6. I agree with scripture that the Holy Spirit convicts the believer of their righteousness (John 16:10) and remembers our sins no more (Heb 10:17).
    7. I preach “be holy” and all the other exhortations of scripture. I don’t appreciate being called an antinomian any more than you would (see point 2).
    8. I do not believe it is possible for God to break his many promises to us regarding salvation. If the Lord says he will never cast us away, I believe him. God doesn’t make mistakes when he adds our names to his book (Rev 3:5).
    9. I agree with the scriptures that teach, “For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified” (Heb 10:14). One with the Lord you are as righteous and holy as he is.
    10. If our entire theology is rotten, how is it that we are seeing many people delivered from sickness, addiction, and shame? How is it that every day I hear from people who are being radically set free by Jesus as a result of this hyper-grace message?
    11. I do teach the blessings of Jesus and don’t have a problem using the word prosper (which is in the Bible). I give pretty much 100 percent of my time and income to the Lord’s work. I ask for money from no one because my Father takes care of me. I don’t understand why anyone has a problem with being healthy. Didn’t Jesus command us to heal the sick?

    I encourage you to learn about the hyper-grace gospel from those of us who are living it and seeing the fruit of it, rather than from those who are attacking what they do not know.

    Grace and peace to you.

  10. There is a truth to the grace message that evangelical believers should discuss more often. It is what make grace so amazing and that no one can boost. To put it in a nutshell, no one can gain God’s love (salvation) by doing good on charity level and no one can lose God’s love (salvation) by disobedient acts during some moments. It is the finished work of calvary by our Lord Jesus Christ for all times. It is one half of the grace message. That is why the hyper grace message is so attractive and seductive that just emphasis on one part of this grace message.

    On the other hand, the evangelicals or mainstream believers tend to prove to be worthy of followers of Jesus by investing their efforts and times doing ministries to the point of burnt out and still feel not good enough.

    The other half of the grace message, that is to seek the Kingdom of God first and all these things shall be added to you, declared by our Lord Jesus Christ. That is the major part of our Christian faith and living. In other word, Passover is made for Pentecost. We are saves as an individual but to seek the Kingdom of God as a people of faith and express them in term of how we make our living.

    The 10 commandments have not been nullified by the death of Jesus Christ contrary to the teaching of hyper grace message. The ten commandments is not a legal code of law to judge us guilty or not guilty prescript by a stern and unloving God. The Jewish people understand it as the loving teachings and instructions by a loving God to enrich all area of our life to be a wise and understanding people set apart from the heathen cultures that are so prevalent in today environments.

    Unfortunately, the Jewish people are unable to translate the commandments effectively but turn it into legal code of sorts and become a religious codes for faith and practice that kills.

    This responsibility are now upon us, save by the blood of Jesus and baptise by the power of the Holy Spirit to translate God’s word (God’s teaching and instructions as the wisdom of God with understanding) for the time we are living in God’s world. This is awesome responsibility, who is sufficient for such a task !!

  11. Just a question, have u listen to Pastor Prince yourself? Recently? Live not just short interval on youtube?

  12. Hi, this is indeed a very pedantic blog post. I would not assume I understand half of what you’re saying but as a regular attendee of New Creation Church, I don’t agree with everything Dr Chia has underlined (well, the parts I understand anyway).

    Pastor Prince does not say to ignore the old testament, law, even the beatitudes. As far as I understand, he is comforting those who think they’ve failed to keep the law. And I believe he does say the Holy Spirit convicts us of our sins. He is constantly telling the congregation to be led by the Spirit away from sins and of sinful nature.

    Perhaps my eyes are veiled by Pastor Prince’s “honeyed words”. Please do read/hear his sermons in its entirety and tell me if I am indeed led astray by the devil. Thanks

    1. Hi Peter, widen your Christian circle for a broader perspective. Search the Scriptures. And then come to a personal point of view. May the Lord enable you, dear brother.

        1. I trust you have carefully and diligently searched the Scriptures. You are fully entitled to your personal view, of course 🙂

  13. Obviously not all teachings of New Creation Church are erroneous. However, some erroneous teachings in that church are dangerous enough to spoil the understanding of God. Again, grace is not wrong. However, grace DOES NOT give us a license to sin. Joseph prince mentioned that there is no need of repentance of sin and that is already wrong.

    1. Sadly, most are willing to accept and accommodate the error. And some do not even see it as erroneous. Hence, the point and question of the article: Is it dangerous? If not, let’s drop the whole subject. If so, how dangerous?

    2. Joseph Prince has preached on repentance with greater clarity than any minister I know, and I have listened to many preachers over the years. And he has never said that there is “no need of repentance of sin”. You are obviously clueless about what he does teach and does not teach.

  14. Ha ha ha! I am a member of St Andrews Cathedral. I have decided to quit form all theological discussions. But I think I will comment on this. Grace is not a measurable quantity on some scale. There are two books on Hyper-Grace. One is pro by Paul Ellis and and the other is against by Micheal L Brown. Anyone interested can read these books and form their own opinions.

    1. Thanks for highlighting these books. Indeed, each believer should read and discern for himself. This should be done in consultation with leaders so that a proper perspective of Scripture in its proper context is considered. Blessings!

  15. Remember this, the accurser of the brethren is the devil, please do not join that team.
    Love covered all things, many people have been bless in New Creation Church. Tell me which church or leaders that we would emulate or model after in today reality. Even the well known Men of God of old like John Wesley, J I Packer , Billy Graham ..etc has also been misunderstood . Do we stop the movement ? Just preach it, according to your own conviction, be it healing , released the captives, cast out demons , the Lord knows what is going on, they are all serving Him not you. If you can have a 30,000 church members under your leadership, I will listen to you !!

  16. The article listed 11 points. I will try to keep my responses short. (JP = Joseph Prince)

    1. They have dismissed the whole of the OT. Narratives in the OT are merely used as examples or illustrations.

    R: Not true. A lot of teaching is from the OT. Eg. get JP’s tapes on teaching of High Priest garments, Tabernacle and sacrifices. Last year, due to Ebola, his church NCC handed out cards printed with Psalm 91 and we were encouraged to memorise it. I learnt the wonderful story of Jehoshaphat’s battle because JP kept emphasising it. Last week’s (1 May 2016) sermon was on Abraham’s encounter with the Lord and 2 angels!

    2. They have dismissed the relevance of the Ten Commandments and God’s moral laws for Christians.

    R: Not so simple. Stating it like this makes it sound bad. As Jesus said, He has not come to destroy the 10 Commandments but to fufill it (Matt 5:17). He fulfilled it so we don’t have to. Our righteousness is from Him (Rom 3:21,22; 2 Cor 5:21).

    A man is justified by faith apart from observing the law (Rom 3:28).

    Under the new covenant God will put His laws in our hearts and write them on our minds (Heb 10:16). JP says, as you get to know God/Jesus, what He has done and who you are in Him better (which includes reading and meditating on the Word) and spend time with Him, you will find you accidentally fufill the 10 Commandments! In fact, many times you exceed them eg. instead of not committing adultery you love your wife, instead of not coveting you will be generous. The fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22,23) will show itself and this has nothing to do with the 10 Commandments or the law (in fact Gal 5:18 just before that says if you are led by the Spirit you are not under law).

    If you are under law, sin is your master but not if you are under grace (Rom 6:14). Sinful passions are aroused by the law (Rom 7:5).

    The power of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Apart from law, sin is dead (Rom 7:8). That is because the law is holy but we are not (read Rom 7 for a full discussion).

    We no longer serve in the old way of the written code but in the new way of the Spirit, we have been released from the law (Rom 7:6). We are dead to the law through Christ so that we may be married to Christ (Rom 7:4).

    These are not ceremonial laws, but the moral law including the 10 Commandments (just read Rom 7 and this will be clear).

    3. Their theology (i.e. doctrine of God) is erroneous because they have emphasised only certain aspects of God’s character and only some of His attributes (like love) while neglecting others.

    R: What attributes being referred to is not clear. Usually it’s said that God’s anger and justice is neglected but His love is emphasised. Actually, not true. In the OT we see God’s righteous anger when executing justice. Under “grace” teaching God’s righteous anger and execution of justice was fully directed at and exhausted on Jesus at the cross. As Jesus’ sacrifice is perfect (“It is finished!”), there is no more anger or punishment against those who are in Jesus. Jesus really did make such a big difference and “grace” teaching actually make us worship Him more. Why do we insist that we must continue to pay what Jesus has fully paid?

    4. Their Christology is defective. For them salvation is centred only on the death of Christ. In the NT, the whole incarnate life of the Son is salvific.

    R: Not sure how the other parts of Jesus’ life is salvific according to this. The death is the redemptive part. Just like the animal sacrifices. It’s really the death that means everything. Of course the animal had to be without defect, so Jesus must be sinless at death. Other than that, no comment as without elaboration I am not clear what is meant here.

    5. Their understanding of the ministry and teachings of Jesus is erroneous because they consider the teachings of Jesus before Calvary as irrelevant for Christians (this includes the Sermon on the Mount, the parables and the Lord’s Prayer).

    R: Not true, at least for JP. There are various portions to the Sermon on the Mount. One portion is where Jesus shows how high God’s standard is re the law ie. 10 Commandments. Even looking at a girl in lust is adultery and getting angry with someone is murder. Jesus suggest we pluck out our eyes and cut off our hands. They don’t do it? But the law has been fulfilled by Christ and JP preaches on other portions like do not worry about what you’ll eat or whether you’d be clothed as God will do these like He does for the sparrows and lilies. Those who say this about JP have not heard his sermons. They are full of analyses of Jesus’ parables and sayings and His actions. How can they be irrelevant if so much attention is paid to them.

    6. Their pneumatology is erroneous because they teach that the Holy Spirit does not convict believers of sin. This is instead attributed to the work of the devil.

    R: Refer to John 16:8-11. Jesus said the HS convicts of sin, righteousness and judgment. Then He elaborates. Sin because men do not believe in Him. (But Christians believe in Jesus. So why will the HS convict them of sin? This sin is singular in the Greek and this “conviction” happens at conversion.) Righteousness because He goes to the Father and we cannot see Him. (The HS tells believers they are righteous because Jesus goes to the Father after He has made us righteous and also He is not here to tell us we are righteous.) Finally, judgment because the devil has been condemned. (The HS will assure us the devil has been judged and we need no longer be afraid of him.) This is Jesus giving us the job description of the HS.

    In fact, when Adam ate the fruit, it was of the tree of the knowledge of GOOD and evil. The tree and the fruit was not evil. So why did God forbid man from eating? It was that man was not able to handle such knowledge. So man can now distinguish between good and evil. He has a conscience. But Christ has taken all our sins. That’s what the HS wants to convict believers of. Further, the devil is an accuser. Why would the HS duplicate the work of our conscience and the devil? Don’t we have enough guilt? But the HS wants to tell us that Jesus has made us righteous. He wants to restore us to that fellowship we had with God before Adam ate the fruit, the intimacy we had with God in the garden.

    Heb 10:2 – if animal sacrifices were “effective” we would no longer feel guilty for our sins, implying that the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus being “effective” means we no longer are to feel guilty of our sins. Our hearts are now sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience (Heb 10:22).

    7. Their understanding of the writings of Paul is erroneous. Paul always balances the indicative and the imperative (you are such and such, therefore, you should do such and such). But the new antinomians only emphasise the indicative and entirely omit the imperatives.

    R: Not true. JP always emphasises that we focus on what we are (indicative) then we will fulfill the imperatives. But often the church has it the other way round. They keep focusing on the imperative and don’t remind believers of who they are, which is the secret to fulfilling the imperatives. In fact Paul’s letters spend a lot of time telling his readers who they are in Christ before ending with advice on conduct. That’s JP’s balance too.

    We cannot say JP omits imperatives. Again, critics are not listening to his sermons. He has spoken out against homosexuality. I have the tape. Countless times he has condemned adultery in the strongest terms during sermons – so too pornography. But the way to overcome these is to understand who we are in Christ (indicative).

    JP has highlighted that Paul in his letter to the Corinthian church which was sinning extremely did not condemn them. Instead, he reminded them of who they are in Christ then told them given their position they should not be doing these things.

    8. Their soteriology is erroneous because they teach that it is impossible for Christians to lose their salvation.

    R: This is a big topic. For the moment, let’s just say this is not the monopoly of “grace” teaching. In the 30 years of my adult Christian life (plus 6 more in school) spent in the “mainstream” church, I have known the church to be confused about this. Many held that you cannot lose your salvation. Once saved, always saved. But there are those who felt you could lose it. I read an article by a Methodist pastor in a Methodist periodical about 2 years ago where he argued you could lose it. If it was all settled in the mainstream church, why bother trying to prove it.

    So you cannot say this is a doctrine specially from the “grace” preachers and therefore shows how wrong they are!

    9. Their eschatology is erroneous because they present an over-realised eschatology when they insist that Christians are already perfect.

    R: By Christ’s one sacrifice He has made us perfect FOREVER (Heb 10:14). God made Christ sin so that we may become the righteousness of God (2 Cor 5:21). There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ (Rom 8:1). It is not that we don’t sin in reality, but that God has punished that sin in Christ at the cross. Thus it will be unrighteous and unlawful (even in human law) for God to punish us again since that means a repeat punishment for the same sin. But this does not mean we go on sinning (Rom 6:1,2).

    Most of the time people want Christians to pay for their sin because they apply the world’s system to God’s ways ie. you can’t let him get away scott free for what he did! That’s man’s way. But God’s way is not to remember our sins and lawless acts anymore because of what Christ has done (Heb 10:17).

    10. Needless to say, their entire theology of the Christian life and discipleship is erroneous.

    R: No comment! Enough is said above.

    11. The Hyper Grace Teachers are also promoters of the health and wealth Gospel. They incorporate this quite easily in their theology of grace.

    R: This is the error of using labels. First, choose a bad emotional label like “health and wealth gospel”. Then say that this is being preached. Implication – erroneous teaching.

    We seek Jesus first. In the process health and wealth comes. We cannot mislead the people and avoid the truths in the bible of the blessings of health and provision that is the inheritance of believers. That is the balance.

    What does the bible say? 2 Cor 8:9 – Christ became poor so we could become rich (and the context was material giving so it is not spiritual riches). Jesus gave an abundance of fish to his disciples who caught nothing. There were 12 baskets full of bread left over after the feeding of the 5 thousand. Abraham, who lived before the 10 Commandments and was justified by faith, was made very rich (the material wealth was listed so it’s not spiritual) after he sinned by deceiving the king about his wife. Job was doubly blessed. Isaac was blessed with a bountiful harvest in famine because he listened to God.

    God heals all our diseases (Psalm 103:3). In fact, when Jesus was here, he healed everyone that came to Him. It was not recorded that he said you cannot be healed because it’s not God’s will or you sinned or God wants to teach you something. Only the hardness of hearts of the teachers of law and those from His hometown would have prevented healing. Jesus said that if you’ve seen me you’ve seen the Father. Jesus showed us God’s heart when it comes to sickness. He even gave His disciples the power to heal every disease and sickness (Matt 10:1). Matthew used Isaiah 53:4 about how the Messiah will take up our infirmaties and carry our diseases when he was explaining why Jesus was healing (Matt 8:17). Peter himself, quoting from the famous Isaiah 53 passage, says by the wounds of Jesus we have been healed (1 Pet 2:24).

    As for real life examples, just go to Josephprince.org. There are many testimonies of healing and material provision, among others. Get a sense of the theology in each testimony. These are not warped and greedy people. They are faced with real life situations and are desperate. The grace teaching brings real solutions to them and when they believe they get. You can say this is random given so many people hearing the message, but you cannot deny they believed in the grace of God and He blessed them. And the testimonies are frequently updated with new and equally miraculous ones! As Jesus says, miracles can be evidence to believe (John 14:11). The Lord confirms the preaching of His word by the signs accompanying it (Mark 16:20).

    But these miracles also happen around me. A friend was diagnosed by various specialists as suffering from an incurable nerve problem that caused the eye to droop and close uncontrollably. After practising what she heard from JP’s sermons, she was miraculously healed. My close friend’s personal friend had 4th stage prostrate cancer. He moved from a “mainstream” church to hear JP and within months was completely healed.

    I will spare you the account of what a positive difference the preaching has made to my life!

    Why are people against health and wealth? Could it be because they look around them and see sickness and poverty among Christians and then judge the Word of God by their experiences? Should it not be the other way around? Maybe that’s why many Christians are sick or poor. They don’t believe God wants to heal or provide them with a comfortable life. If the man with leprosy never approached Jesus about his healing, he would never be healed. In fact he said if Jesus was willing, he will be healed. And I think Jesus’ reply was for all of us throughout the ages – “I AM WILLING”! If you know Jesus, you know God.

    1. Appreciate where you are coming from. Thanks for your ‘short’ response 🙂 Granted that the summary statements may appear rather broad, but that’s what summary statements are. Given the strong arguments on both sides, whether theological or experiential, clearly wisdom and discernment is needed to process. May the Lord lead us all accordingly as we seek Him.

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